Stop This Before it Kills CA

[squizxyhyojin]

For the love of everything that is good, do not bring back Classic CA just to shoehorn it in as a separate client with its own set of servers and databases. Bring back the Classic CA we know and love as a major fix and UI rework to the whole "reloaded" client instead of risking the death of both versions.

If anyone is wondering where I got this from, it's from talk in the valofe public CA discord server from people affiliated with valofe or ones that have heard talk in valofe stating they'll likely do a two client system with a full start-over on the classic client.

Just a warning, this is a long post, as it analyzes the problems the game has in depth.

In my opinion, this is a piss-poor business decision, seeing as you would have twice the expenses and no guarantee of profit from the new venture.

I refuse to believe the wide majority of people who have voted for CA Classic would have wanted two clients, there was no mention of that in the classic page. Even if they did want two clients, if they really thought it through, I'm almost entirely certain that they would have come to the conclusion that it is not a good decision to have TWO CLIENTS.

For the purpose of this analysis, I will split this post up into several parts, addressing PERCEIVED issues that reloaded has and ACTUAL issues that reloaded has.

Perceived Issues:

Guns:

I've used all the guns listed here, so for those arguing the guns that have broken the game are still not balanced:

• Each epic and nx rare that was previously overpowered can now be countered by gp guns, you're just not looking hard enough. Let me list out the most popular OP guns, starting with the epics:
• Andromalius-literally any top tier GP sniper rifle, including the ASW338LM
• Max's R870 MCS MOD-R11-87P with light bullet competes with this very closely in close range, mid range you might lose out but at that point you're better off switching to a high power assault rifle. If you really want to be technical, the M590 CQB can easily put down Max's users from range, so long as you play your cover points right.
• Orthus-recoil has been nerfed quite well, any dual skorpions users can compete with them. Damage has also been heavily nerfed. Honestly anyone with a good AR can gun an orthus user down at mid range. Not even worth complaining about.
• Any epic tier submachine gun- MP40. Just use it, you'll see what I mean. If that doesn't fit your fancy, use a UMP series.
• Azazel- I started using this on one of my alts and it has been nerfed to uttter garbage, easily the worst upper tier assault rifle, it's a carbon copy of the deckland's but with less consistency/performance and what feels like less rate of fire.
• Any epic tier assault rifle- G36KE or Mk16 SCAR-L. for the heavy hitters like the zharkov's just use a G36KE (trust me the tapfire has improved quite a bit) or use the supernerfed G36E series, for the faster rate of fire ones, use the Mk16. I'm sure there are other easily obtainable ARs that could compete.
• Rare tier weapons: Honestly what broke these guys was their ability to be customized. Since reloaded, customs have been obliterated. Any rare tier assault rifle or submachine gun can EASILY be bested by some GP weapons and sometimes their (previously NX standard) counterparts.
  
  The rare exception to this is the AS VAL as it still pretty broken. For that, I'm sure you can still find some GP guns that can compete with it. In case you need examples, the M416 CAMO (and G36KE) is a really good weapon against rare tier ARs, and the previously mentioned MP40 is great against rare tier SMGs.

Anyone who honestly still complains about the weapons being unbalanced, you have to remember that in order for a gun to be unbalanced, there has to be weapons in its same class or a similar one that are vastly ineffective against it. This is no longer the case.

Matchmaking:
This honestly isn't even that big of an issue, just put it where the "quick match" button was at the top of the screen in the old UI. People who still like matchmaking will have it available to them and people who don't can freely ignore it without having it shoved in their faces. All in all, the real issue is with the UI, not matchmaking itself

GP-GC Economy:
This system greatly rewards those who put in the time to get GP. With 1K practically guaranteed if you join from the start or beginning of a match and only 220-278 matches for a perm weapon, it's in a safe place of balancing. Any change to GP gain rates however would certainly help however, but it's not as bad as people make it out to be

Actual Issues:

There are quite a bit that are self explanatory:

• Clan wars- Utterly kneecapped by reloaded. You can no longer choose your opponent and it's restricted to one game mode.
• Clan system in general- the emblems are antiquated and not recycled (if you've seen my past topics, this shouldn't be new to you, lol. This will come up as a part of a larger issue below) admins for whatever reason still cannot approve new members and the leader has to. There is little incentive to level up your clan (to be fair this was an issue in classic as well)
• Rank rewards- Just GP? C'mon. I don't know if I'm the only one here but I loved the big commendation letters and the cases. Overall the rewards we get so far give almost zero motivation to rank up.
• The UI- The big all-encompassing issue with the game in general was and still is: the layout. Not only is it now impossible to change your loadout while you are still waiting in the room, the life and blood of the game: the custom rooms, are now a tiny button underneath the matchmaking buttons. The matchmaking buttons themselves make up a whopping 20-40% of the part of the screen that isn't just a 3d render of your character.
• Kicking in Free for All modes- No reason why you shouldn't have the vote kick system in the FFA modes (OMA, Arms Race), it allows hackers to freely hack and ruins the game modes for those who play them.
  
  In my opinion, elite moderator only allowed for a hacker to be kicked faster, and brought all the rage-kicks and other fecal matter ridden issues to CA upon implementation.
  
  No longer do people get kicked for being good, no longer do people get kicked for calling out the emod for being a prick, it's all community driven and it's working... apart from FFA modes.

Some aren't quite as self explanatory but are prevalent enough:

• Lobby/Room chat/Community aspect diminished- Combat Arms was always a COMMUNITY game, something a bunch of people could log on to and see a bunch of their friends on and play with them in fun matches.
  
  While part of this is still implemented, the game now favors less "making friends and playing with them, getting guns along the way" and favors more "grind till you die or spend money".
  
  While the latter part of that statement is more opinionated and up for debate, it's clear the community aspect of CA has greatly diminished.
• Quarantine- This is a bit on the edge of "actual" and "perceived". Eris has adequately described the history behind the Quar community-Nexon conflict in very great terms for the people of the discord server so I'll do my best to suggest an improvement.
  
  Overall people have been on a tug of war battle with Nexon, first claiming the infected were too hard to kill. Then when things changed, they claimed the infected were too easy to kill. Now, since the infected have been buffed again in Reloaded, people are complaining they're too hard to kill.
  
  I'll let the quar people try to find a good middle ground as I don't even play quar, but this was one of the most problem riddled parts of the game in the past.
  
  Overall, quar was a big part of the game and I think it deserves to have that perfect middle ground found for it.
• Antiquated Database Excrement- The game has no way to recycle used names, no way to recycle used clan names, no way to recycle terminated/dead clans' emblems, the list goes on.
  
  What's even more antiquated is the practice of copying account data for before-name-change names (i.e. you change your name, your data gets copied over to the old name
  F O R N O R E A S O N ).
  
  This is just a bad business practice, keeping loads of data I'm sure they don't need and continuing to contribute to it is just stupid. I'm sure there are other things that the game keeps track of that they could easily just do without.
• Specialist Items- Some are there, some are not, it's just a mess. They left it where those who had specialist items in the past keep some of them, and those who didn't just can't access them.
  
  Nexon left this really open ended and I honestly have no preference of solution for this. Either get rid of them from the game entirely or restrict them to fireteam/quar and make them all-accessible. That would probably just make everyone happy.

Conclusion:

The game does not need two clients. It needs one that combines the best part of Classic and the best part of Reloaded. Then all you have to do is implement some fixes, sit back and let the game flourish and make you money.

Adding any more clients would risk server issues (two sets of servers for a game that shouldn't even be split), community unbalancing (more flock to one than the other, causing the other to die faster.) and overall confusion.

If I missed anything, please post it in the reply section below. This was just my opinion about the whole "classic" vote and future implementation, so take it with a grain of salt.

[Negan]

CA is killed when Reloaded is introduced. So there is nothing to be killed.

[squizxyhyojin]

I would disagree, there's still 12k worth of accounts (not users, but accounts) as seen by that classic vote.

[MrHaze]

Basically here's what's up. They will remake "classic CA" on separate server and hope to start the crap show all over again, probably promise you "free to play pledge" just like Nexon did almost 10 years ago, second step is a liltle bit of waiting for them, they will let us rank up and attach to the game all over again before they start reselling all the OP gear and weapons once more. After a month or two you can say goodbye to reloaded and your old account, with an excuse "classic is more popular bla bla bla" yeahh, we all know how it goes by now. You'll probably get some sort of package with 5 items, duration 30 days as a compensation for your "old" account which will be gone/deleted, ye that account you've spent few thousand $ on your perms. Well bad news Valofe, if you think this will work you're all delusional. Only dumb person will spend money again on stuff he/she already owned in the past. There's much better and simple way to make everyone happy again and to make ALOT of money, but ill keep those ideas for myself. Ofc if you want to know anything about it feel free to contact me, and ill gladly share all the ideas I've gathered over the past 8 years, for a certain fee of course. I don't think my ideas are the best, moreover they are mindblowing and better than best, I own The golden chiken, want some eggs? Come, come, come and get it. I don't want to sound arrogant, but I have predicted the fail of nexon's CA before everyone else and the same is going to happen to you valofe. You have no idea what are you doing, right?

[squizxyhyojin]

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I wouldn't be so quick to antagonize them, We have no idea what they'll do.

[Brotkrumen]

We have no idea what they'll do.

Exactly. And bringing two different clients was only an opinion of someone.

[squizxyhyojin]

Exactly. And bringing two different clients was only an opinion of someone.

From what I've heard on the discord, I believe cryo said something about the two clients. It came from someone associated with valofe, as listed in the post.

I made the argument in the case that they will go through with it and that the concerns are substantiated.

[Negan]

I would disagree, there's still 12k worth of accounts (not users, but accounts) as seen by that classic vote.

Lol you compare 12k accounts to couple of millions before.

[giorgis15]

Quarantine has one of largest Community. sadly 98% of quar players have quited after these nerfs with Explosives & Mines & RPG's. these nerfs with Explosive & Mines & RPG's stuff completely killed Quarantine & Spy Hunt community. I really hope VALOFE gonna bring the old stats of Explosives. i'm playing since 2013 I never seen people complaining about Explosives & Mines & RPG's. OP weapons such CQB's P90'S AR-15's SG50's MAX Shotguns should be nerfed instead. Reloaded literally killed the game. P.S Matchmaking is one of stupidest modes. it should be removed from the game




P.S do you remember the Daily TOP 5 players that we had in-game? everyone loved it. people used to play whole day in order to get into the TOP. please add it to ur list ^^^

[squizxyhyojin]

Quarantine has one of largest Community. sadly 98% of quar players have quited after these nerfs with Explosives & Mines & RPG's. these nerfs with Explosive & Mines & RPG's stuff completely killed Quarantine & Spy Hunt community. I really hope VALOFE gonna bring the old stats of Explosives. i'm playing since 2013 I never seen people complaining about Explosives & Mines & RPG's. OP weapons such CQB's P90'S AR-15's SG50's MAX Shotguns should be nerfed instead. Reloaded literally killed the game. P.S Matchmaking is one of stupidest modes. it should be removed from the game




P.S do you remember the Daily TOP 5 players that we had in-game? everyone loved it. people used to play whole day in order to get into the TOP. please add it to ur list ^^^

But they HAVE been balanced. GP purchasable weapons can now compete with them, evening the playing field.

Aren't you also the guy that says we should have a separate GP-NX economy? Wouldn't that ruin the balance? It wouldn't screw over G-Coin users, it would benefit you, giving you access to buy something through the GP you saved from using GC. You get twice the opportunities at the cost of your money.

[lRogue]

I do agree with the most of the points you made on this thread. I am not sure whether the information of creating two separate servers/clients is accurate or not. Furthermore, VALOFE has been listening to user feed and is trying to fix issues day-and-night and you made good points here, which I will certainly pass onto Cryonize. As for NX/GP Weapons, all of those actions were done by Nexon, and personally I think it is balanced in terms of NX and GP users because any gun can be out-matched with better aim.

[squizxyhyojin]

I do agree with the most of the points you made on this thread. I am not sure whether the information of creating two separate servers/clients is accurate or not. Furthermore, VALOFE has been listening to user feed and is trying to fix issues day-and-night and you made good points here, which I will certainly pass onto Cryonize. As for NX/GP Weapons, all of those actions were done by Nexon, and personally I think it is balanced in terms of NX and GP users because any gun can be out-matched with better aim.

Thank you so much. I greatly appreciate your very informative response. I hope to help out the community in doing what we can to help make CA a profitable and fun game for the good of VALOFE and the fans.

[Miley4Cyrus]

But they HAVE been balanced. GP purchasable weapons can now compete with them, evening the playing field.

Aren't you also the guy that says we should have a separate GP-NX economy? Wouldn't that ruin the balance? It wouldn't screw over G-Coin users, it would benefit you, giving you access to buy something through the GP you saved from using GC. You get twice the opportunities at the cost of your money.

Nexon used to have separate NX-GP economy for 8 years. thats how the game got till today. without separate GC-GP economy the game wont kept. it gonna die since the company wont have good profit from it. people barely charge real money into CA after the Reloaded update. first of all everything is available for GP. which is stupid in my opinion. second of all around 80% of items are taken away from shop. such as Mine in the Box & Winter M69HE-NL & pistols & Cosmetics & guns & ofcourse Specialists





I just wanted to say neither any game can't be kept without paying customers. thats why separate NX-GP economy is needed. also. most of items should stay NX only. like it was before "Reloaded" for 8 years.

[Brotkrumen]

From what I've heard on the discord, I believe cryo said something about the two clients. It came from someone associated with valofe, as listed in the post.

I made the argument in the case that they will go through with it and that the concerns are substantiated.

Why don't you read it yourself?





I also would recommend to chill.
but......... just my opinion. I wouldn't recommend to make such a big fuss right now.

[squizxyhyojin]

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I am very sorry that my response to you came off as hostile or aggravated.

However, as I have stated, I have made the thread in the case that my fears are substantiated and Cryo's opinion is turned into fact. I fully acknowledged that it was sourced from "talk" and not "statements". I am very much chill, however I have been disappointed in the lack of action on all of these issues the game has been plagued with ever since reloaded launched.

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But the separate economies unbalanced the game to hell. NX standards far outclassed the GP standards at almost all points before the major GP-NX economy rework. I seriously doubt that the separation of the two currencies are the only thing that made the game profitable.

You also seem to be forgetting the transitional period where GP was able to rent items and NX was able to buy them, the economy showed no signs of tanking during that period. So what's to say the full transition had any bigger impact?

I respect your opinion, but I think the wide majority of the community is tired of Pay to Win as it not only alienates new players (seeing as the best stuff is sold during sales, which newbies could not possibly know beforehand without connections with other players) but it encourages people to buy their way to victory and proliferate this very backwards cycle of pumping out overpowered weapons.